About this Show

The Ed Show

News/Business. (2011)

NETWORK

DURATION
00:59:59

RATING

SCANNED IN
Annapolis, MD, USA

SOURCE
Comcast Cable

TUNER
Port 1235

VIDEO CODEC
mpeg2video

AUDIO CODEC
mp2

PIXEL WIDTH
720

PIXEL HEIGHT
480

TOPIC FREQUENCY

America 25, Washington 17, Boehner 15, John Boehner 7, Walsh 6, United States 5, Robert Reich 4, Chris Van Hollen 3, Harry Reid 3, China 3, Joe Walsh 3, At&t 3, Bernie Sanders 3, Mccarthy 2, Reich 2, Keith Ellison 2, Jeff 2, Michelle Bachman 2, Exxon 2, Luke 2,
Borrow a DVD
of this show
  MSNBC    The Ed Show    News/Business.  (2011)  

    July 29, 2011
    1:00 - 2:00am EDT  

1:00am
they're behind closed doors trying to do a deal. that means boehner's radical plan to solve the debt limit crisis is on hold because he and chris van hollen and bernie sanders. they're here with their version an how this is going down and how it's going to get solved. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> the bill's not perfect. i never said watz perfect. >> even the tan man knows his bill is no good. he was embarrassed by his own caucus tonight. but is senator reid's plan any better? former labor secretary robert reich knows the answer. constitutional scholar michelle bachman doesn't understand the 14th amendment. >> he would be making spending decisions and tax decisions. clearly that's unconstitutional. >> we'll review the document for her. and while republicans hold the economy hostage, nobody's thinking about putting americans back to work. tonight, my commentary on how washington and big business need
1:01am
to start hiring. good to have you with us tonight, folks. it's an unbelievable day of news coming out of washington, d.c. house speaker john boehner, i guess you could say is finding out the hard way that a stiff drink and round of golf just isn't going to solve this problem. the speaker is politically hog-tied in his own caucus. he doesn't have the votes. the american people are now witnessing the hourglass being turned on the american economy. going to be a lot of losers if they don't get it together. disaster looms and the tea partiers just don't seem to give a damn. a vote on boehner's bill was scheduled for 6:15 tonight. it never happened. boehner is still trying to strong arm the tea party membership of his caucus into doing some kind of a deal to move it over to the senate. congressman louie gomer left boehner's office and said he was "a bloodied and beaten no." so what are we witnessing here right now, folks?
1:02am
this is a major victory for the tea partiers. them holding out and not falling prey to the horse trading that takes place in washington from time to time when it comes to doing deals is changed. that has been brought to washington by a group of radicals and the american taxpayers, american citizens are going to be paying a deep, deep price for this. stubborn, selfish, whatever word you want to put it to, the tea partiers right now are calling the shots in the house. in the meantime, the democrats are holding their caucus together. they're going to protect the big three. they want some revenue increases although the two plans on the table don't have that. so we still could be a long way from some kind of conclusion. obama associate told me today that if the president had an extension come to his desk, he feels that president would be
1:03am
obligated to sign it. what's the president going to do? not sign an extension? let the economy default? that's not a very good option. joining us now live from capitol hill, house minority whip steny hoyer of maryland. congressman, great to have you with us tonight. it has been a whirlwind of news. i'll just ask you straight up, what can you tell us at this hour? where are we? >> i think what we're seeing, ed, is a stark example of why we could not no matter what we did come to a compromise with the republicans. their leader wanted to do that. but the party of no is saying no to their own deal. the party of no is putting at risk the american taxpayer, the american family and america itself. i think the american public has a right to be enraged as i am about the dysfunctional spectacle that they see with america on the brink of -- in the first time in history being
1:04am
unable to pay what it owes. i said on the floor that is not only a bad policy, it's an immoral policy. i would hope in the next few hours that we can come together, democrats and republicans, not as a partisan effort, as is now occurring. every democrat is going to propose this bill that john boehner offered. it's a bad bill. it's a bad deal for the american public. it's a bad deal, frankly, for all of those who rely on government functioning well. so that what i hope to see is for some of the republican party to come to their senses and reelize they cannot survive as the party of no and start saying yes to reasonable compromise that will solve this immediate problem and, yes, we'll deal with the long-term problem of debt and deficit in the coming weeks and months. >> congressman, what about the 14th amendment for the president? i don't mean to put the cart
1:05am
before the horse, but there have been a number of democrats who spoken on record saying that they believe that that is an option. we'll talk more about that later in the show. but one so visible, your colleague on the leadership team, jim claiborne. is this a possibility in your opinion? is the president maybe in a position asking the american people make me do it? what do you think? >> i think that certainly it's arguably in his power to do so under the fourth section of the 14th amendment. >> you would suggest that now? >> i would not suggest it now. i know the president is looking at it. his legal team is looking at it. whether he has that option. he doesn't believe he does. his legal advice has been that it would be at best questionable, doesn't believe he has that authority. but very frankly, if it came down to his looking default in the eye on tuesday or taking this action as president clinton said, better to take the action and find out later that perhaps he went beyond his authority but at least protected the credit
1:06am
worthiness of the united states of america. >> and congressman, here is the math in the house. if harry reid can get a bill through the senate, boehner, the speaker, will need 21 republicans to pass the deal. do you think he can do it? >> well, i would hope he could. now when you say 21, you're assuming all 190 plus democrats would vote for that. i think you're pretty close to correct on that. we want to see the credit of the united states protected. we want to make sure that american families don't lose the value of their home, their 401(k), have their interest rates go up on their credit card, on their college loan. it would be a disaster for american families if we do not extend this debt limit. so that democrats are going to be very, very inclined to support a reasonable, bipartisan effort. the question is, can we get 20 to 30 republicans who want to
1:07am
save america's credit, save america's image, have us perceived around the world as a government that is in fact functioning? hopefully that's the case. >> okay. what about a short-term extension? is that in your opinion a possibility? the president has been on record saying that he doesn't want to kick the can down the road. but you don't want to see the country default either. if the two parties are close to some kind of a deal, what would the feesability be of an extension? >> the president made it very clear that his intent is veto a short term extension. the reason he says that is because he believes we would be in the same position 60 day from now, 90 days from now, however long that extension was. he believes we would be in the same position which is -- ed -- >> congressman, i think it's
1:08am
important for you to go on record here with this point. this is changing so fast. i mean if the president isn't faced with any other option, i mean it would be terrible to have him put in that position. but it might be best thing if the house and senate can't get together on a bill. >> i understand what you're saying. i think that there's a lot of merit in that. but the problem with it is, ed, what the republicans are trying to do through holding hostage the credit worthiness of america and really holding hostage all of america's families and individuals is they're trying to simply eliminate government. they don't like government. they're just certain aspects, national defense, national security that they support. otherwise, they want to eviscerate government. the american people don't want that. the american people didn't vote for that. they don't want to see social security savaged. they don't want to see medicare privatised.
1:09am
they understand that these are items that are absolutely essential for the welfare of our people. but the republicans are holding hostage the credit of the united states of america for the first time in history in order to achieve their objectives. what the president is concerned about and rightfully so, ed, is if you have a 60-day, 90-day extension and then another 60-day extension and you fight this every 60 days. what that means is the world every 60 days sees the united states of america unable to act in a rational, first world leader role. >> and finally. >> he thinks that's very dangerous and i agree with him. >> if there is no vote, are members of congress and yourself nervous about the overseas markets? they're about ready to open this hour. >> let me tell you, i'm very nervous. this is, ed, i've told people, i've been in congress 30 years. i don't know that i've been as concerned about the welfare of
1:10am
our country as i am tonight. >> and that says it all. >> when i see a party that cannot even agree with itself and has refused over the last four months to come to a compromise on making sure that we do something that every leader, every leader, republican and democrat understands is absolutely necessary and that is to enable our country to pay the bills it's already incurred. it is shameless that we have come to this position. >> congressman hoyer, you just about seen it all. you got a new chapter to put in that career of yours. this is unbelievable stuff unfolding. steny, thank you so much for joining us. before we get to our next guest, i want to know what you think about all this mess. get your cell phones out. will tea party republicans force america to default? text a for yes, tb for no to 622639 and always visit our blog at ed.msnbc.com.
1:11am
results later in the program. bernie sanders from vermont now joins us on "the ed show" tonight. senator, good to you have with us. will mitch mcconnell be able to get enough republicans to raise the debt ceiling in the senate? what do you think? >> i don't know. i think clearly what's going on in the house is a disgrace. it is an outrage. i think it is really a very sad day for this country, ed, when the american people are now looking at two plans, neither of which by the way, has one cent of revenue from the wealthiest people in this country and the largest corporations, both of which are doing phenomenally well. and both of which include massive cuts for working families and education, health care, nutrition, and a whole lot of other programs desperately needed by people who today because of the recession today are in a heck of a lot of trouble. i certainly hope that our right-wing friends in the house
1:12am
go beyond their extreme ideological purity and allow something to happen or else we're going to be in very serious shape. but what really bothers me is that we have a poll coming out just the other day in the "washington post." you know what it said? 72% of the american people think those folks making above $250,000 a year should be asked to pay more in taxes. people want to defend. they want to protect social security, medicare, medicaid, and, in fact, those programs are on the chopping block as well as many others. so the real question that we have to ask ourselves is how is it that the congress is so far removed from what the american people want who want shared sacrifice. that's the bad news. i can tell you good news. today some of us met with a lot of union leaders. i think what they understand is the real fight in order to protect working families in this country is not going to take place here in d.c. between
1:13am
negotiations of one group of people who say no, no, no and another group of people who say well, i give you this i give you that. that the real solution is going to be what's happening in states like wisconsin and in ohio, working people are beginning to fight back success if manically. what we have got to do -- successfully. what we have to do is create a movement where any member of congress says i'm going to savage social security, medicare, medicaid, cut nutrition and other health care programs and fight for tax breaks for the very rich, not one of those people should be returned to office. >> senator, you know, respectfully and you have been the clearest of all voices in washington on protecting those institutions and listening to the concerns of the american people. but we're a long way from any electoral decision to be made. a lot of water is going to go over the dam between now and then we're faced with a crisis. boehner can't get the house in
1:14am
order. the tea partiers are winning a major victory. they're hard right-wing, they don't want to see that debt ceiling go up. how do we navigate out of this? what is a possible scenario as you see it at this hour? >> well, i think, you know, that the majority leader here in the senate is going to probably push as hard as he can to get republican support for his approach. pass it here in the senate and tell the people in the house, here it is. if you want to support a bipartisan approach passed in the senate, as a rule to take political responsibility for the united states defaulting for the first time in american history. >> i have to ask you, senator, that meeting you had with labor leaders, i know the afl-cio and the cwa, the service employees international union, they were all representative and the flight attendants and what not. what is their feeling about president obama's position in all of this? do they think he's done enough?
1:15am
is labor mad at the white house? >> i don't want to paraphrase what other people said in a private meeting. but, you know, i think among progressive circles in this country, there is disappointment that the president hasn't been stronger. there is disappointment that out of nowhere the president has gone back on a campaign promise not to cut social security, that he put medicare and medicaid on the table for no particular reason that i can understand. so, you know, i think a whole lot of folks in this country are disappointed. >> senator, good to have with you us tonight. thanks so much. bernie sanders from vermont with us on "the ed show." remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. our text question. congressman chris van hol enand chris ellis son will join me to talk about what is going on in washington and the longer the debt debate goes on, the longer washington ignores the american people's number one priority -- jobs, jobs and more jobs. stay with us. 50+ advantage
1:16am
has ginkgo for memory and concentration, plus support for bone and breast health. a great addition to my routine. [ female announcer ] one a day women's. [ slap! slap! slap! slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums
1:17am
1:18am
today there was a press constitution and 14th street. here is the congressman from california. >> our president, we believe, has the ultimate power to solve this. we hope he doesn't have to use it. we hope that republicans come to their senses and move forward with a more rational approach. >> of course, congressmen and leaders support the president's right to do this if necessary. but republican congresswoman and presidential candidate michelle bachman is crying foul. >> it's congress that does the spending. the president is prohibited to do that. if he had the power to do that, he would effectively be a dictator. there would be no room for congress to even come into washington, d.c. he would be making the spending decisions. he would be making the taxing
1:19am
decisions. clear clearly, that's unconstitutional. >> harry truman invoked the 14th amendment once to raise the debt ceiling. so president obama wouldn't even be the first to do it. if it comes down to invoking the 14th amendment or allowing default, one of them is clearly the better choice. until i see smoke. so pantene said, "breakage and split ends? no problem." they gave me this pantene called breakage to strength. [ female announcer ] the keratin protection pro-v system helps prevent then repair split ends. zero fear of breakage, 100% more strength. no regrets, just health. i'm not giving up the heat. [ female announcer ] the breakage to strength system from pantene.
1:20am
1:21am
welcome back to "the ed show." let's bring in chris van hollen. set chairman of the democratic congressional campaign committee. congressman, good to have with you us tonightment i said in my opening statement the change has come to washington. we've never seen a group, i don't think, campaign on obstruction the way they did and going after federal spending and then not falling pray to the horse trading that is taking place. i mean the tea party is a viable political force tonight. can we agree on that or am i wrong? >> well, there's no doubt about that, ed. what you've got is a group within one branch of the congress which, of course, is one of two branches the executive and the congressional branch dealing with law making
1:22am
authority. obviously, we have the judiciary as well. but this small group has essentially taken the position that unless they get things 100% their way, they're going to threaten to tank the economy. >> let me ask you this. are you happy to see the boehner plan tanking tonight? it would seem to me -- and they've told the members to stick around. there might be a vote. john boehner is not going to call a vote unless he's got the votes. is that correct? >> well, that's right. it is way too risky for him to do that. >> okay. so his plan is tanking. the clock ticks. is that good news for the democrats? >> well, because it's a bad bill for the country, i think it's good news for the country that he's having such a difficult time putting the votes together. the question will be whether he'll now say, you know, let's try and compromise genuinely with the democrats or whether they're going to cave in to some
1:23am
of their, you know, colleagues on the far right, trying to amend the bill and go back to the rules committee and come back to the floor of the house with an even worse bill, even farther away than where they are now. >> mitch mcconnell, as i see it, now comes a big player to save boehner's fanny in the house. i mean mitch has to go over there and talk to some of those republicans and say, look, we got to go along with harry's deal here. we're going to try to get what we can get so we can keep this country from not defaulting. and then, of course, boehner has to peel off democrats in the house. i think that's the only possible way to get a deal now. mcconnell is a key player here. >> that's right. mcconnell really has been a key player from the beginning. but this strengthens his hand even more. he can say to his republican colleagues, look, this thick didn't get through the house or even if it does ultimately get to the house, look how difficult it was.
1:24am
it's time for us to work together with harry reid to try and get something good -- something done for the gf the country. there's a very big danger that american public will look at this and say this new crew in the house drove the economy into the ground. >> do you think there's a chance to get revenues back in a deal? >> well, we've said all along that if you're going to do any kind of grand bargain, if you're going to really take a balanced approach to significant deficit reduction, you have to have that. and so if the discussion goes again toward a large bargain, that's absolutely essential. but as you know, ed, the sticking point has been this -- republicans in the house especially have taken the position that you can't cut a single corporate loophole, not one penny if that penny goes to deficit reduction. even as you look today where exxon is reporting huge profits, they still think that the taxpayers should be subsidized. exxon can make all the money it wants. it shouldn't have your money, my
1:25am
money, nor your viewers money and the taxpayer money. they don't need that. >> and finally, the 14th. does that become a viable option? more democrats are coming out saying that. >> well, look, i think the president should keep all his legal options on the table. i'm sure the justice department is taking a good look at this to see how it applies to the different obligations the u.s. government has incurred, that applies to bond holders, does it apply to social security beneficiaries? does it apply at all? i hope that they will continue to keep that in play in a sense that they need to thoroughly look at that as a legal option. >> chris van hollen, thank you so much. let's turn to keith ellison, the co-chairman of the house progressive caucus. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. where do you see the situation at this hour? >> quite frankly, ed, i really only see two options ahead of us. i see one where perhaps we can get enough sensible people to
1:26am
get a debt deal. hopefully republicans see we can continue this discussion around deficit reduction later. we don't have to couple it with the debt ceiling bill. and failing that, i think what we're going to see is we're going to have the president r president to invoke his presidential authority to protect the public debt of the united states. so because tonight, you know, we -- this bill, this boehner bill was supposed to be up last night. now here it is late in its night. we haven't seen it up yet. of course when the speaker of the house cannot get a bill passed, that's pretty scary thing right there. and so i really -- it's not really shaping up like there's going to be a bargain here. i just want to say the president has bent over backwards to try to be reasonable. he has not been getting any kind of cooperation from the speaker and the republican caucus.
1:27am
so at this point, i'm hoping for the best always. but i think that clean debt ceiling vote and then continuing on with this conversation or failing that, 14th amendment option is what's in front of us. >> keith, how strong is your caucus tonight? the progressive caucus and, of course, the entire democratic caucus? how strong is it? >> i think we're solid. we have core values. but we're not inflexible. you know what? social security, medicare, medicaid, these are fundamental important programs. they're bread and butter democratic programs. >> congressman, i have breaking news here. we're told that there will be no vote tonight. your reaction to that? >> expected. i didn't anticipate there was going to be one. remember, ed, last night we were supposed to vote on the boehner bill. tonight we were supposed to vote on it. mr. boehner has no control over that caucus.
1:28am
i mean the inmates have taken over the asylum, man. i mean this thing is ridiculous. >> congressman mccarthy, the whip, is announcing that there will be no vote tonight. so i don't know. in some strange political way, i just think this really empowers the democrats to stay shoulder to shoulder and don't break ranks and let the fight continue in the republican caucus because we haven't seen this kind of disarray with the republicans in over a decade. i mean there's been a long time. bush and cheney and tom delay, they never had these kind of problems. i mean these tea partiers, they're not going to move at all. they're not going to be subject to the horse trading. and this really strengthens you guys. what do you i >> i think you're right. here's the other thing, it's not just brinksmanship and gangsmanship, it's doing the right thing for america. it's wrong to hold social security, medicare, medicaid and dismantle government. government has an important role
1:29am
in our economy and reacts in a way with the free market to make a stable market so that business people, investors and others can participate in this. >> it's very interesting the way it's unfolded. congressman keith ellison here, what we're looking at tonight here is a speaker of the house who has repeatedly gone out and blasted this president for no jobs and has not offered anything on job creation whatso ever. he has been totally negative on this administration. complaining about obama being the problem. but when it's time for the rubber to meet road, john boehner doesn't have the leadership to avert a default in this country. i think that speaks volumes about how weak the republicans really are. congressman ellison, great to have you with us tonight. if you didn't hear it, folks, there will be no vote in the house. that announcement coming from the gop whip just moments ago. the boehner plan and the reid plan have scary similarities. but we'll ask robert reich why
1:30am
the reid plan is a little bit better. and tea party congressman joe walsh reportedly owes more than $100,000 in child support. but he's okay. because it makes him more like real americans? this dude is in outer space and he's going to the zone. dad, did you eat my jell-o pudding? [ dad ] no. pudding face! i'm sorry. you don't look sorry. you're right i'm not. [ male announcer ] get your pudding face on with irresistible jell-o pudding.
1:31am
i was told to begin my aspirin regimen. i just didn't listen until i almost lost my life. my doctor's again ordered me to take aspirin. and i do. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ mike ] listen to the doctor. take it seriously. a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. i used to not travel very much, but then i discovered hotwire. now, i use all my vacation days. i can afford to visit my folks for the holidays. and reconnect with my girlfriends in vegas. because i get ridiculously low prices on all my trips.
1:32am
you see, when hotels have unsold rooms, they use hotwire to fill them, so i get 4-star hotels for up to half off. now i can afford a romantic trip to new orleans. hi honey! ♪ h-o-t-w-i-r-e... ♪ hotwire.com with other top companies. with an esurance quote, you know you're getting a great deal. you can thank our tech team for that. sure, i'll let them know. bye-bye. aha! anything you want to share? with the tech team? oh, i'm dating that girl in accounting. seriously? yeah, we're pretty serious. [ female announcer ] know if you're getting a great deal. see for yourself at esurance. technology when you want it. people when you don't.
1:33am
welcome back to "the ed show." we told you moments ago there will be no vote tonight in the house on the boehner bill.
1:34am
john boehner could not get the tea partiers together. there will not be a vote. that announcement just coming moments ago from the gop whip in the house. congressman mccarthy, nbc's luke russert is on capitol hill. luke, the speaker of the house went into caucus yesterday and told everybody to get in line. it didn't happen. how did it come down tonight? >> an absolutely real shocker out of washington, ed. there's a lot of confidence in the gop leadership staff this morning even saying by the time the night is over we'll have passed two bills out of the house that have raised the debt limit. well, that's just not the case. around 6:00 this bill was pulled. it was clear they didn't have the votes. there were rumors they were two votes away. they became six votes and then 10 and 12. the number is around there. but this is a huge setback because it shows that john boehner, as of right now, cannot pass a bill through the house of representatives to raise the debt limit that every single democrat in the house and in the united states senate has said they are against.
1:35am
this is clearly a republican bill despite the fact that republicans said it was drawn up in a bipartisan way over the weekend with harry reid. they can't get their own members onboard and they said, look, i'm not going to walk the plank for something the senate said they will defeat. it's unclear what exactly the path way is forward now. we're hearing that the house rules committee which would be the committee that would be in charge of seeing a bill to write the rules how it would be debated tomorrow is on stand by tonight. so possibly boehner could make some deals to get that number to 216 that he needs by giving some members some -- something in return by tweaking the bill a little bit. but if that's the case, that will be the third time the bill has been tweaked in a span of two to three days. so it's quite a remarkable set of events that happened here tonight on capitol hill. >> luke, you visiting with some of the staunch conservatives in the house, these tea partiers, how stuck in concrete are they? how inflexible are they? could they move at all to raise
1:36am
the debt ceiling? >> honestly, ed, they view the issue of spending with religiou fervor. they view it as why they were sent to washington. a lot of them never held elected office before. you hear often complaints from aides saying they don't know whether to get onboard and get with the program. i think tonight they would point as a fine example of that. but i'll show you an easy story with you now. a few hours ago members of the south carolina delegation who are all supposed no votes went into boehner's office and mccarthy was there and had his arms twisted. and another congressman came out and walked to the house chapel off the rotunda and said i'm going to vote for the leadership. i'm still a no vote. you see to what degree these guys are entrenched, not really willing to move. it shows there is no clear path to 216 right now for the republican bill to raise the debt limit. >> it will be a busy weekend, no doubt. luke russert on capitol hill, thanks for joining us to night. now let's bring in former secretary of labor under bill
1:37am
clinton and professor of public policy at university of california berkeley, robert reich. mr. reich, good to have you on tonight. your reaction to these developments. i know you're not a fan of either one. but where do we go now? >> well, we're seeing a republican crackup of historic proportions and we're also seeing kind of a smoking out of the radical right in the republican caucus. you know, these people, as has been said, they really are willing and they are now almost collapse just for the sake of preserving their own ideological purity. i have not seen anything like. this i've been sort of around politics and in politics for the last 35 years. this is the most extreme group who have -- they almost have a choke hold on government and on the economy right now. >> and mr. reich, how do you think their constituents -- do you think their constituents are
1:38am
telling them to hold the line like this? >> i can't -- you know, some of their radical constituents obviously are. i don't think think understand the implications for the economy, for average people. i mean if there is no increase in the debt ceiling, if the president's hands are really tied next week, next tuesday, then the interest rate goes up. the dollar is down. it's going to be unfolding catastrophe and hurt many of the same people who are supporting those congressmen who are taking that ideological position. >> what is the president's best move right now if, he has one at this point with the dysfunctional government, a dysfunctional congress? >> well, i think that the president may have to and again we don't know what's going to happen by tuesday. but if by tuesday there is no agreement and it's looking increasingly like there is not going to be an agreement, the president may have to simply instruct the secretary of the treasury to go ahead and pay the bills of the united states, the federal reserve board will honor
1:39am
those payments and honor those ious. if republicans are upset and say the debt ceiling is not lifted, you're acting unconstitutionally, then they will take the president to court and he'll use the 14th amendment saying i have a constitutional obligation to protect the united states. hopefully it's not going to come to that. >> robber reich, thank you so much for joining us tonight. the american people say jobs especially manufacturing jobs should be the top priority for washington. why aren't elected leaders doing anything about it? and you're looking at video taken in the capitol rotunda earlier. a dozen religious leaders are arrested for upsetting the gop's cuts to the poor. it all happened so fast. it was clearly too late for me to do anything as my mercedes collision system automatically kicked in. the next thing i know, the mercedes stopped itself. ♪
1:40am
watching what mercedes has done in bringing together these sensors in a car with software that has the ability to save your life. that's magical software. [ male announcer ] the innovation, the engineering of mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy developement comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to safely and responsibly providing decades of cleaner burning energy for our country, drilling thousands of feet below fresh water sources within self contained well systems and using state of the art monitoring technologies, rigorous practices help ensure our operations are safe and clean for our communities and the environment we are america's natural gas.
1:41am
1:42am
breaking news out of washington tonight, no vote on the boehner bill. joining me now is the founder and president of the national
1:43am
action network, reverend al sharpton here tonight. and also professor of sociology at georgetown university, michael aaron dyson. the markets are going to be very interesting tomorrow. we're going to find out just how nervous this country is. what do you anticipate? >> well, there's going to be a lot of nervousness and anxiety and market insecurity. i think this shows, as you know, robert reich just said, that this small splinter group has taken american hostage. john boehner cannot rally his troops together. he can not galvanize his troops in a way that proves his authority. he's been critical of obama for not having leadership and exercising legitimate authority. here it is he can't get his stray cats together to stand together shoulder to shoulder. i think this says to the nation that we don't have a leading party, a speaker of the house who's concerned about the ultimate good of the people or at least the tea party spt. he's capitulating to them in a very vicious way.
1:44am
i think this strengthens the democrats if they can stand together. >> reverend sharpton, where do you think the president stands tonight? do you think he has a move to make within the next 24 hours? >> i think the move is going to be, i think secretary reich is right. if there is no movement, he's going to have to move forward tuesday. and many of us have said he's got to use the 14th amendment. but i think he sits tonight in a mixed bag. one, he has proven to be smarter than anyone thought. he played chess while they were playing checkers. he called a hand. he put everything on the table and got a lot of people like you and i angry. and they still won't vote. so at the end of the day, did he really show how inflexible they were that they would even risk the default of this country even if he put it on the line? >> so do you think this is president obama's plan all along, knowing that this is how it was going to play out? >> i don't know. >> he had $4.7 trillion on the table and they didn't take it.
1:45am
>> many of us can say we don't know if he was calling your bluff or not because you guys have shown that into r no matter what you put in your ideology and your right-wing wish to make sure that you run this country in a way that rich people are protected above the interests of the people. so i think the president, if there that was his move, he won. if it wasn't his move, we'll never know. >> michael aaron dyson, does the respect go up in the minds of the base tonight where they're showing frustration as of late? >> it has to. what it shows is the utter intrans jents that he's been dealing with. what they made clear tonight is that we are dealing with a group of people who are incompetent in term of their political sensibilities. they have not adjusted to the ways of washington. and the best sense of that word. learning to compromise, learning to follow an axis of true balance and assertion of one's
1:46am
belief. how do you balance your particular and peculiar beliefs over against the interests of the common good? i that i what we've seen tonight is that obama has had to deal with this time and time again and he can't even call upon the fellow feeling of good sent am among citizens that they should share. so i think this is what it shows. >> it's an unprecedented night when you see the republican quarterback call a huddle and get sacked by his own team. >> reverend al sharpton and eric dyson, thank you so much. >> coming up, joe walsh is in the zone. the biggest mouth lands because i never want to feel that helplessness again. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. talk to your doctor, and take care of what you have to take care of.
1:47am
the biggest mouth lands himself in psycho talk. ♪
1:48am
♪ i like your messy hair ♪ i like the clothes you wear ♪ i like the way you sing ♪ and when you dance with me ♪ you always make me smile [ male announcer ] we believe you're at your best when you can relax and be yourself. and at thousands of newly refreshed holiday inn hotels, you always can. holiday inn. stay you. and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card.
1:49am
joe walsh of illinois this dude is all over tv slamming president obama for preaching fiscal responsibility. but walsh is a fraud.
1:50am
he can't even keep his personal finances together. now it turn out that the guy's a deadbeat dad. his ex-wife has been fighting for nine years to get walsh to pay child support for three kids. court documents accuse walsh of oeg more than $117,000. walsh acknowledges that he owes child support but he disputes the amount. and he defends himself by saying he's just like all the other deadbeat dads out there. >> i know that story just broke. it's interesting that it just broke right now as i'm out there trying my best to fight this president and fight the democrats and sol of this debt crisis. but, look, i'm the most openly vetted candidate in the world. i've had financial troubles. i talked about them throughout the campaign. this is where real america is. >> so walsh thinks real america doesn't pay child support. and, therefore, it's okay if he doesn't either. walsh leaving his ex-wife high
1:51am
and dry with three kids is terribly inexcusable. he said he is just doing what real america does is deadbeat psycho talk. the american people want jobs. not fights over the debt ceiling. there's a way to get jobs back in america and i'm going to tell you how it's going to all happen coming up. over the south pacific in 1943. vietnam, 1967. i got mine in iraq, 2003.
1:52am
u.s.a.a. auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation, because it offers a superior level of protection and because u.s.a.a.'s commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. u.s.a.a. we know what it means to serve. uh-huh. jeff? right there. jeff! honey, i can't walk any faster. [ female announcer ] the great taste is clear. [ cellphone beeps ] [ jeff ] ooh! thanks hun! [ female announcer ] oscar mayer deli fresh turkey comes in a clear pack so the freshness you see is what you taste. only from oscar mayer. [ cellphone beeps ] ♪ it's for you. [ chuckles ] ♪ it doesn't get better than this ♪
1:53am
so the question is what do wealthy people do with their money during hard economic times? i walk through the lobby here at 30 rockefeller center almost every day to do this show and my radio show. and there's a real lesson to be learned about america from this building. john d. rockefeller jr. leased this land, this building on is before the stock market crash gave us the great depression back in 1929. but rockefeller moved ahead with his project despite his partner's dropping out. this guy could have taken his money and saved it until the
1:54am
country was in better economic conditions. instead, he didn't. he used the money on the largest private building project ever at that time. and he put his trust in these guys, famous picture, american workers. these 11 men were sitting 66 stories above where i am right now. during the worst economic conditions in our history, they worked hard and earned a living because there was an unselfish american named john d. rockefeller jr. he took a chance on the american worker and said we've got to get this done. and rockefeller center became an economic engine for new york. it still is today. you see those crowds around the big christmas tree every year. it's a tradition. america has been through tough times in the past and in those times, we relied on the most fortunate americans to do the right thing. who's going to step up and believe in the american worker now? who's going to put people to work like john d. rockefeller did in a real tough economic time back during the depression?
1:55am
we're broadcasting at the building tonight where he had a vision. so america can come through tough times. we are where america didn't give up. [ slap! ] [ pneumatic wrench buzzing ] [ slap! slap! slap! ] [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tums goes to work in seconds. nothing works faster. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums
1:56am
excuse me? my grandfather was born in this village. [ automated voice speaks foreign language ] [ male announcer ] in here, everyone speaks the same language. ♪ in here, forklifts drive themselves. no, he doesn't have it. yeah, we'll look on that. [ male announcer ] in here, friends leave you messages written in the air. that's it right there. [ male announcer ] it's the at&t network. and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. finally tonight, the people want washington to move past this debt debate and focus on jobs. but, of course, the lawmakers don't seem to be listening. a new poll sponsored about it alliance for american
1:57am
manufacturing finds the public overwhelmingly wants job creation over debt reduction, 67 to 9. 58% strongly believe jobs are the number one priority. the majority of those polled think washington lawmakers are doing worse in creating jobs than they did last year. joining me now is scott paul, the executive director of the alliance for american manufacturing. the numbers are turning. a year ago, they weren't like this. scott, what's happening out there? >> well, i think americans know that we've tried every other way. we've tried financialization. we tried austerity. what we haven't tried is manufacturing. it's what we're really good at in this country, as you mentioned. we know how to make things. but the american people don't see washington focused on policies that will strengthen our manufacturing base. in fact, they see everything else. and they are desperate for
1:58am
washington to do something about manufacturing, to get tough with our trade partners to stand up for american workers, to invest in this sector of the economy and to make sure that america is the number one manufacturer in the world which americans don't think we are anymore. they think china has gained that lead and we're following behind. >> are lawmakers taking notice here to the numbers? what kind of response are you getting? >> we've actually had a great response. we've done a number of briefings on capitol hill and at the white house. we've done them with democrats and republicans. and i can tell you, ed, you know, politicians are saying the right things. they're talking about making america and made in america. but what we haven't got them to do yet is, you know, get beyond that photo op at the factory floor and really get down to it. they need to pass some legislation to lower our trade deficit. >> that is one of the things in the poll that i found interesting. the made in america, buy american is gaining strength. >> it is.
1:59am
in fact, it is surging. people thought made in america was great last year. they think it's incredible this year. it's like mom, apple pie and made in the usa. we saw a 44% increase, a 44 point increase in favorability on made in america folks who feel very strongly about it. so clearly, people are desperate for american made products for an american made manufacturing policy. >> how come it's not annish knew 2012? >> it's going to be. you saw mitt romney hitting president obama on china yesterday. mitt romney doesn't have much ground to stand on on china. but you'll see it become an issue, especially in the battleground states that president has to compete in. places plik ohio, michigan, pennsylvania. you can't go there and not talk about factories. >> scott paul, alliance for american manufacturing. thank yous for your time tonight. very interesting numbers. tonight, i asked will the tea party republicans force america to default 82% of you said yes and 18% of you said . that's "the ed show."